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		<title>Why Do My Magnetized Bases Repel Each Other?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple years ago, the gaming store I worked at picked up the GF9 magnetic bases. They became all the rage, and most of the serious gamers started to magnetize all of their armies. I thought it was a great idea, but I didn&#8217;t like the idea of a $9.99 price tag for each unit. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple years ago, the gaming store I worked at picked up the <a href="http://www.gf9.com/store/index.php?cPath=38">GF9 magnetic bases</a>. They became all the rage, and most of the serious gamers started to magnetize all of their armies.</p>
<p>I thought it was a great idea, but I didn&#8217;t like the idea of a $9.99 price tag for each unit. Even with my 50% employee discount, that&#8217;s a steep price to pay for bases in my opinion, especially if you play armies with lots of units (I used to play Skaven and Empire).So I went in search of DIY materials to make <strong>my own</strong> magnetic bases and movement trays.</p>
<p>I forget where I purchased it, but I found a roll of self adhesive magnets that I thought would work great. The roll was 25&#8242; long x 6&#8243;. I figured I would trim small magnets for the bases and slap a larger piece in the bottom of the movement tray. Initially, this seemed to work out great.</p>
<p>However, I soon noticed a problem. Sometimes models next to each other would repel each other and sit about 2-3mm apart. Other times, one model&#8217;s base would rise off the magnetic surface and hover a mm or two above the ground. This became particularly troublesome when I took the models off the movement tray and put them back in &#8211; it seemed that they fit nicely if they were in the perfect formation but not if you switched the models&#8217; positions.</p>
<p>For the life of me, I couldn&#8217;t figure out why they were so troublesome. I&#8217;d used a few of the GF9 magnetic bases and tray inserts, and I never had that problem. I was meticulous in lining up the orientation of the magnetic strips (after the first couple incidents), and still some of the models would act funky.</p>
<p>To make things more confusing, I placed my models on a GF9 tray insert, and I had no trouble. Huh?</p>
<h3>GF9 Movement Tray Inserts Aren&#8217;t Magnetized</h3>
<p>When we first got the GF9 magnetic basing system, I noticed something odd. The tray insert wasn&#8217;t magnetized.</p>
<p>It looked like a self adhesive magnet strip, but if you stuck two of them together they just fell apart. I never looked into why, and I figured it was irrelevant. Turns out it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>This morning, I poked around the &#8216;net and found out exactly what those movement tray inserts are made of &#8211; rubber-coated steel sheets (see <a href="http://www.gf9.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=38&amp;products_id=206">GF9 store page</a>). The rubber coating makes the inserts <strong>look</strong> like a magnetic strip, but the insert itself is not magnetic. It&#8217;s a ferrous metal that attracts other magnets.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking that my problem is I have magnets sticking directly to other magnets. The magnetic models don&#8217;t seem to be interacting with <strong>each other</strong>, they&#8217;re revolting when they interact with the <strong>movement tray insert</strong>. If I use the GF9 insert in a movement tray, I could drop in my magnetized bases and have no trouble.</p>
<p>Grr!</p>
<h3>So What Should You Use for Tray Inserts?</h3>
<p>This means I need to peal out the magnetic strips in my movement trays and look for another solution. One solution is the <a href="http://www.gf9.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=38&amp;products_id=206">GF9 inserts</a>, which you can order separate from GF9 or through a hobby store. They come in packs of 3 x 4&#8243; x 10&#8243; sheets &#8211; enough for roughly six infantry movement trays. At $10.99, that&#8217;s an investment of ~$2.00 per unit. Not too bad &#8211; I might do this in the short term for my tiny Chaos army.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found a <a href="http://www.magnetvalley.com/index.cfm/fa/items.home/parentcat/20938/subcatid/0/id/376559">similar product</a> at MagnetValley. It&#8217;s sold by the linear foot (2&#8242; wide), at $9.99 per foot. The minimum order is 2&#8242;, so you&#8217;ll be investing $19.98 for 2 square feet. That&#8217;s a little more than twice the amount of material you get in the GF9 pack. However, when you tack on $10+ shipping, it&#8217;ll end up being slightly more expensive. Boo.</p>
<p>You can get another <a href="http://www1.ecxmall.com/stores/lyt/Search.bok?category=MAGNA-MOUNTS">similar product from Magically Magnetic</a>. I think it&#8217;s the same material, per-cut into 3&#8243; x 5&#8243; strips. You can get them for $0.75 each of $6.75 for 10. Two 20 packs with shipping comes to just under $20. That&#8217;s somewhat more cost effective than the GF9 inserts and they&#8217;re the perfect size for a 5 x 3 unit of 25 mm models (Chaos Warriors). Unfortunately, they&#8217;ll be too small for larger blocks of troops (you&#8217;ll need 5&#8243; x 4&#8243; for 20 Warriors or 25 x 20 mm models). If you could find these things locally and not pay for shipping, it&#8217;d be the best solution, IMO.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also heard of people using thin metal sheets (like tin) to line the bottom of the movement trays. I&#8217;m not sure how expensive these are, but I plan on investigating.</p>
<p>Any other ideas for what to line movement trays with?</p>
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